Kiddushin 81 - November 2, 18 Cheshvan

Today's daf is sponsored by Martin Gaynor in loving memory of Dr. Jerry Rabinowitz. Today's daf is sponsored by Rivka and Martin Himmel in loving memory of her grandparents, Yechiel ben Meir and Feige bat Meir hy"d who were taken out to be murdered with many of the Jews of their town in Poland on the 18th of Cheshvan.  Today's daf is sponsored by Elisheva Gray in honor of all the hostages, our courageous chayalim and all their families. "Also with much appreciation to Rabbanit Michelle for her steady wisdom and unwavering dedication, continuing to bring the pages of the Talmud alive for us all even at such a difficult time."  Are laws of seclusion different when traveling outside the city? If so, why? Several stories are brought to show that rabbis also struggled with their desires for women. Does one receive lashes if one was secluded in a way that is forbidden? On what does it depend? The rabbis discuss other types of scenarios where there are/are not seclusion issues. What precautions did different rabbis take to prevent themselves from engaging in relations with a woman they were not married to? Rabbi Meir and Rabbi Akiva would mock those who sinned, but Satan decided to tempt them into sin so that they could understand why others sin. Pleimo would speak to Satan and say, "I will shoot arrows in the eyes of Satan." As a result, the Satan came to exact revenge. What transpired and what in the end did Satan want from Pleimo? A woman whose husband no longer had relations with her, couldn't understand why her husband would pray to be saved from the evil inclination. She disguised herself as a prostitute to see if he was tempted to sin, and he was tempted by the "prostitute" and had relations with her. When she then explains to him that it was her, he still spends the rest of his life depressed about the fact that he intended to sin, even though he did not sin. Rabbi Akiva cries while reading two verses that highlight that one who intends to sin but does not sin and one who sins without intending to still needs to atone for that sin. This indicates how severe it is when one sins with intent. Can one be secluded with a forbidden relative other than one's daughter/son? Shmuel even forbids seclusion with a daughter/son. Until what age are there no limitations with a parent/child? Is it determined by age, stage of development, or maturity?