Fine, Let’s Do What JD Vance Wants: Talk About Immigration
Interesting Times with Ross Douthat - A podcast by New York Times Opinion - Joi
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Donald Trump and JD Vance have sparked panic over immigration in Springfield, Ohio. This week, the hosts talk about why our country’s immigration debate is now focused on a distraction instead of the core of the issue. Plus, Ross is hot and cold about a particular pet obsession.
