#689: The Brothers Who Live One Life — The Incredible Adventures of David and Daniil Liberman

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Visit Protekt.com/Tim to buy Protekt REST and you’ll get a FREE bottle of Clarity with your order. Clarity is a neurotropic mushroom blend of lion’s mane, reishi, cordyceps, and turkey tail, designed to support brain function and mental performance. I haven’t personally tested Clarity yet. * [06:59] Childhood. [09:46] The influence of scientist parents on curious kids. [12:42] The perils of pursuing anti-corruption innovation in post-Soviet Russia. [18:09] Building a business with cables and crossbows. [23:21] Lessons learned by bankrupting a gaming studio. [29:42] Moscow-style investment recovery. [31:07] A lucky break in the darkness of debt. [32:07] Streamlining production through decentralization, parallelization, and a DJ connection. [35:00] When playing the fools is the smart move. [41:04] Coming to America. [44:46] Building momentum with animation in Los Angeles. [46:19] Divorce lawyer power dynamics. [47:10] Another unforeseen financial hurdle. [49:02] To Silicon Valley and nonprofit transparency. [52:21] How are David and Daniil able to pivot between different ideas so quickly? [58:12] The formation, advantages, and drawbacks of the Liberman hive mind. [1:07:18] Separation pros and cons. [1:08:56] How does external romance fit into this arrangement? [1:12:12] The Dalai Lama, Jerry Murdock, and Snap. [1:19:28] Reversing Snapchat's 2018 decline by adapting to data and fixing real problems. [1:27:40] Applying principles of compound growth to life. [1:33:23] How working with family has helped with logistics. [1:37:11] The value of interdisciplinary synthesis. [1:45:46] How the Libermans might teach people to code. [1:52:55] A data-driven look at our current financial crisis. [2:04:21] What's the Liberman solution? [2:06:46] Incentivizing adoption of such a solution. [2:10:33] A real-world test. [2:14:08] Who/what makes for a good investment in this model? [2:19:35] Do we reduce or elevate the potential for success by minimizing suffering? [2:27:33] How to invest in people (and why you should). [2:37:52] Parting thoughts. * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday. For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts. Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books. 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